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Wilderness Permits

The rules for obtaining permits vary from agency to agency. Some allow you to get permits by phone or fax and others require they be obtained by mail. Also the times when permits can be obtain and the maximum group size vary. The following table shows the responsible agency and basic rules for the most common areas the troop hikes in.

Location Agency Phone Group Size Permit Time
San Gorgonio
(San Bernardino National Forest)
Mill Creek Ranger Station
34701 Mill Creek Road
Mentone, CA 92359
Mail in or FAX form,
FAX: (909) 794-1125
Recording (909) 382-2881
Live person (909) 382-2882
(Thur-Mon 8:00am - 4:30pm)
12 3 months
Used for Johns Meadow, Halfway, Trail Fork Springs, Fish Creek, Dollar Lake, Dry Lake, High Creek, Vivian Creek
San Jacinto
(National Forest)
Idyllwild Ranger Station
54270 Pinecrest
P.O. Box 518
Idyllwild, CA 92549
Mail in or FAX form.
FAX: (909) 659-2107
Permit information (909) 382-2922 or (951) 659-2117 #5
Ranger station: (909) 382-2921
U.S.F.S. (909) 659-2117
(Mon - Fri 8:00am - 3:30 pm,
Sat-Sun 8:00am - 4:30pm)
12 3 months
Used for Skunk Cabbage/Laws Camp. (Zones: Skunk Cabbage, Tahquitz, Chinquapin, North Rim, Lower Basin, Desert View)

Also for the first night in one of the preceeding when going from Humber Park trailhead to Little Round Valley or Round Valley. (Two permits are required.)
San Jacinto
(State Park)
Mt. San Jacinto State Park
P.O. Box 308
Idyllwild, CA 92549
No phone in. Must mail in form with S.A.S.E.

Permit information (951) 659-2607
15 8 weeks
Used for Marion Mountain Campground trailhead to Round Valley, Little Round Valley, Tamarack Valley, or Strawberry Junction.
Cucamonga Wilderness In person at:
Mt. Baldy Visitor Center
Mt. Baldy Road
Mt. Baldy, CA 91759
(Daily 8:00 am - 4:30 pm)
(909) 982-2829
FAX: (909) 931-7130
12 3 months
By mail from:
San Gabriel River Ranger District
Angeles National Forest
110 N. Wabash Ave.
Glendora, CA 91741
(M-F 8:00 am - 4:30 pm)
(626) 335-1251
FAX: (626) 914-3790
Lytle Creek Ranger Station
1209 Lytle Creek Road
Lytle Creek, CA 92358
(909) 382-2851
Used for Kelly's Camp


Points of Contact

Places to call for general information and current trail and water conditions.

Location Agency Phone
Angeles National Forest Los Angeles River Ranger District
12371 N. Little Tujunga Canyon Road
San Fernando, CA 91342
(M-F 8:00 am - 4:30 pm)
(818) 899-1900
FAX: (818) 896-6727
Used for Devore, Hoegees, Mt. Lowe, Oakwild, Spruce Grove, Valley Forge, and West Fork
Angeles National Forest San Gabriel River Ranger District
110 N. Wabash Avenue
Glendora, CA 91741
M-F 8:00 am - 4:30 pm
(626) 335-1251
FAX: (626) 914-3790
Used for Kelly's Camp
Angeles National Forest Current conditions
Angeles National Forest Chilao Visitor Center
Angeles Crest Highway (Hwy 2)
La Canada, CA 91011
(Sat. and Sun. 8:00 am - 4:30 pm)
(626) 796-5541
Angeles National Forest Henniger Flats Forestry Center (626) 794-0675
No permit required. Reservation with the camp is a good idea. Can also arrange for a service project while up there. (Managed by L.A. County.)
Josuha Tree National Park Josuha Tree National Park
74485 National Park Drive
Twentynine Palms, CA 92277
(760) 367-5500
Los Padres National Forest Mt. Pinos Ranger District
34580 Lockwood Valley Road
Frazier Park, CA 93225
(661) 245-3731
San Jacinto Mt. San Jacinto State Park
P.O. Box 308
Idyllwild, CA 92549
(951) 659-2607
San Jacinto Round Valley Ranger Station (760) 327-0222
Used for winter trips to check weather at tram
San Jacinto Palm Springs Tram
One Tramway Rd.
Palm Springs, CA 92262
(888) 515-TRAM
Group sales:
(760) 325-1449


Weather and Water Reports

You can check the following websites for recent adhoc weather and water reports. The information you get from a ranger data may be different.

Location Information source
Angeles National Forest US Forest Service
San Gorgonio US Forest Service
San Gorgonio Wilderness Association
Howling Duck


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